I started thinking on this after reading a
recent Grognardia post.
People from Earth ending up in fantasy worlds has an ancient legacy. “The Blazing World” of the late Renaissance, regarded as the first true fantasy world/science fantasy story, featured an Earthling stumbling into a strange world of humanoid animals. And Earthlings, even lepers and dumbass English kids who get locked in wardrobe cabinets, have been going to fantasy land ever since.
So how do I feel about a connection between my fantasy world and Earth? Well, over the decades I have been of differing minds on the matter. I still use the same game world I came up with as a kid, “Acheron.” But in those early days I was up for almost anything. Things like the multi-universal Arduin and The City State of The Invincible Overlord inspired me to do all sorts of wacky things with my world.
In those few short formative years I had gods from Earth myth as the gods of clerics; Thor, Odin, Zeus, etc, just like The City State did. It wasn’t until my mid teens when I started coming up with gods for my world from whole cloth, or expanding upon gods my players created, that I started rethinking that. Eventually I would eliminate those Earth gods from my world and stick with the original ones, so in thinking upon those early days I cut my young self some slack. But into the adult years of gaming I only very rarely had any sort of Earth connection with Acheron. When I did, it was not to use any normal sort of Earth human or Earth setting. It was my futuristic Hero Systems/Champions setting that I used.
In the 80’s I had a brother of my major ranger NPC (my first true D&D character, actually, that I ended up using for my own world) get trapped in my Champions setting, and become a sort of rustic superhero in that. So clearly I had established a link between worlds. And once or twice I had dimension hopping characters from my Champions games spend brief times in Acheron when I felt it was appropriate and I wanted some fantasy elements (in one case, heroes chased down some dimension-bending super-hunters who were going to Acheron to kill unicorns and other cutesy creatures).
But just having some d-bag professor or leper or whatever show up to dick around in Acheron? Naw. It isn’t that interesting to me. Maybe because I found Thomas Covenant and Harold Shea to be total bores. It has to be something very appealing to make me break that line between worlds, and the typical “Yankee in King Arthur’s Court” type stuff seems pretty played out to me now. Just a busted, old concept.
These days, I just like to keep my fantasy world pure. I do, however, like chocolate in my peanut butter. That will never change.
I generally prefer to keep earthlings out of my fantasy world. I know they were a staple in previous years, it's just not one I care for.
ReplyDeleteI tend to agree with you. I dislike them in most literature and rarely use them in games. One exception I have made are characters from Mystara's LaTerre, but LaTerre is not really Earth, it just looks like it...
ReplyDeleteI also like peanut butter on my chocolate occasionally (very rarely anymore) but like anything good, it needs to be done right and moderation is important and it gets old and busted real fast.
ReplyDeleteTo each their own - I like it. I've not the Thomas Covenant, but I like the old D&D Cartoon, Alice in Wonderland, Gulliver's Travels, etc.
ReplyDeleteThere is a definite mix-up between the heroes of these source fantasy novels - soloists almost to a man - and the "party" concept - which really has to be traced to Tolkien.
ReplyDeleteIf you're the one Earthman on Mars, great, you're a hero. But D&D is NOT about solo heroes! It's about a situation where being "the one guy from the real world" is as annoying to everyone else as it is fun for you.
NPCs are another thing and I think the displaced earthman in Dwimmermount is well within the crayon borders.
I don't think there's anything cooler than the 'football fight' scene in the Flash Gordon movie!
ReplyDeleteD&D is a mish-mashed amalgam of different sources, and that being said, I have to disagree with Roger the G S. D&D IS about party, but it also IS about strange locations, crazy adventures, and if that includes the "real world" than so be it. Gygax and Arneson brought in elements from the real world, if I recall, and treated their own fantasy worlds as if they were just a quick magical gate away from ours (and possibly one-another).
ReplyDeleteAs for source material, Lucian of Samosata's Ἀληθῆ διηγήματα (A TRUE HISTORY) predates THE BLAZING WORLD by over a thousand years and it actually plays out like a D&D campaign. A group of adventurers in a ship get blown off-course and somehow end up on the Moon, where they get caught up in a war between the King of the Moon and the King of the Sun.
OD&D isn't so much about coherent worlds. It's about adventure, plain and simple. That's why mercenary and slightly unscrupulous characters like Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser are preferred. It's later editions of D&D where the emphasis shifted to setting coherency and self-containment. I guess your preferences might determine to which camp you belong.
Havard: I don't know much about Mystara, except that I think my old fav module Isle of Dread was supposed to be in that world (though I may be wrong)/
ReplyDeleteJohn: just like bagpipes - a little goes a long way.
GrumpyC: Except for the D&D toon, Wonderland doesn't bare any resemblance to any pulp fantasy setting (at least the part the reader is exposed to), and Gulliver just went to Earthly places that happened to have some strange folk. Not really fantasy lands. D&D cartoon is mostly made for children, and almost all children's shows set in a fantasy world has to have an Earth child (or several) so the viewer has somebody to relate too. Personally, I would have much preferred some natives of "D&D world," representing a party of adventurer's, went up against Venger instead of some Earth kids who got on a rollercoaster.
Blair: I was watching Flash on HBO. Hadn't seen it in decades. What a blast! Could not stope thinking about Flesh Gordon while watching, though. I was sexualizing everything.
Dave: I think you are right about BW not being the first, but if you take a look at the Wiki on it you'll see it sets a lot of precedents, including some fantasy tropes that didn't come along for hundreds of years (and written by a woman). I gotta check out the story you mention though