Showing posts with label fantastic four. Show all posts
Showing posts with label fantastic four. Show all posts

Monday, February 17, 2025

Superman, Fantastic Four, Etc. movie thoughts.

 

Having grown up a comic book wonk I always have thoughts on what is going on with comic book movies, especially these upcoming ones. When I was a lot younger comic book movies seemed designed to break a fans heart. The 1970's Superman was a stand out, and of course the Tim Burtons first Batman gave us a serious take. Though not perfect. Batman not being able to move his head but still win in a fight was the least of its issues. To me Batman Returns was a quick downturn. It was OK to me at the time, But I for sure did not like a Penguin that staggers around the sewer in long underwear that has a 3 foot shit stain up the back. There was nothing about the character that would suggest a strength or charisma that would get well dressed poodle trainers and circus clowns to be happy living in a sewer. OK, it's a comic book. But looking back on it now in modern day it seems like some kind of gritty emo transgender Cirque Du Soliel. 

Batman Forever had its good points. But I could feel things heading in a spiral. I liked Kilmers Bats, and Jim Carrey was the usual tour de farce playing the Riddler, one that seemed very much like my favorite Riddler Frank Gorshin. But the neon Tokyo themed Gotham kind of confused me. Was this set in Hong Kong or the future? A Robin who was pushing 30 years old? Ugh. A Two Face whose aging actor seemed to be trying to emulate The Joker, and probably a dose of desperately trying to compete with the zany Carrey. But what the hell it was fun and cool to look at. 

Later Batman and Robin brought back the full heartbreak. If only they had based things, Mr. Freeze, Bane, and Poison Ivy on the 90's animated series, along with a bit more serious tone, and it could really have been great. But geez, the suck.

Snipes Blade and Raimi's Spider Man got us back on track with good stuff. Though their part 3's were dog shit. 

Then with the Robert Downey Iron Man we got a new age. A character not well known to normies, we comic fans loved the character and loved the movie. So the Marvel Cinematic Universe went into full swing. It was great, but after about a decade it had its issues IMO. Iron Man 3, with its fake out Mandarin, was mostly forgettable. And the final stages of Avengers was problematic. The "snap" of Thanos, taking out half of humanity, just made things very awkward. A world where half the planet was wiped out but came back after 5 years? In following films this should have been front and center. What happens when half the world comes back and their lives are mostly gone? Who lives in their houses? Just the squatter issues would be front page news for a decade. But it hardly gets brought up. 

Then the Woke Disneyfication. Man oh man. Trying to make a plank of wood actress, Brie Larsen, the new face of the franchises was complete dog shit. It began the age of the Marvel girl boss. Whereas classic characters who had to go through hell on their journey, the new ones barely had to strive. A great real life analogy is how for the godawful Thor Love and Thunder, Chris Hemsworth had to be in the gym everyday for 6 hours to prepare, while new female Thor Natalie Portman god muscles through special effects. The new Miss Marvel, the Indian stretchy girl, literally got her powers in the mail. 

The TV shows were mostly awful, especially compared to the Netflix series from a few years back like Daredevil. She Hulk, a character I collected back in the day, and shows like Echo, were just identity politics bullshit. Just like Disney Star Wars, the Marvel shit started bombing. And man, all the hyuka hyuka constant snarky joking around, as if left behind as a curse by Downey's Tony Snark. They lost their legacy fans in pursuit of a Rainbow Coalition audience that didn't really exist for it outside of online forums.

When the shit failed, they cried "racism" and "misogynist" and blamed white males, even though they themselves did not go out and plunk down the cash to see the stuff. 

I'm not going to count the new Captain America movie as part of the upcoming items this year. It's out now and not doing so good. This movie is a couple years late, and its budget doubled from endless reshoots. It may do better than its original versions, where I understand it was going to be yet another Donald Trump analogy that so much product, such as Amazons The Boys, where indulging in. But after seeing that half the country at least supports the new prez, they switched that analogy out a bit I understand. Was Red Hulk going to originally be Orange Hulk? 

OK, this Cap is probably going to be a popcorn fart, but what about the upcoming stuff? This is for both Marvel and DC; both of them having fallen from grace to a large degree. I actually like Batman v. Superman, and loved the Snyder cut, but by the awful Wonder Woman 1984 things went off a cliff for DC. So what about...Superman...?






Superman Legacy - I love Guardians of the Galaxy, and Peacemaker and the second Suicide Squad were pretty good. But James Gunn for Superman? I dunno. I like what I see in the trailers. Krypto the Supergod is a big gamble, a dog with a cape and all. But I love it. It seems like it is going to be a big nod to Golden Age supes. And it being an ensemble, with Guy Gardner, Hawkgirl, Metamorpho, etc may also be a gamble. But with the other heroes being kind of corporate and working for Maxwell Lord, such as in the old Justice League international comics, I think this is going to have some kind of juxtaposition between the selfless Superman and other heroes who are in it for the money. I am very hopeful for this.



Fantastic Four - also hopeful. I dunno about the casting. I am getting sick of Pedro Pascal, and don't know that he is a good Reed Richards. Especially with the mustache. The fucking stache better not stretch. Johnny Storm looks nothing special, and Ben Grimm...I dunno. but its the ages that bother me. The Actress playing Susan Storm is pushing 40, and Pedro is like 50. Reed should be at leat 10 years older than trophy wife Sue, but she should be no older than 25. The actress is lovely and all, and looks a lot younger, so maybe it will be ok. What I do like is the retro 60's setting. It for sure reflects early FF, where it's the 60's but interstellar travel, time machines, flying cars etc exist. My guess is this is happening because the FF have not appeared in previous films, and maybe Galactus will destroy that setting and they will come to the modern MCU. That might be awkward though.. Also, I guess this is where Doctor Doom will appear. 

Doomsday and beyond - so Robert Downey jr. is Doc Doom. Speculation has it that this will be an evil version of Tony Stark, perhaps adopted by the Von Dooms. Whatevs. I just hope he is not a snarky jokey Doom. Chris Evans is set to return as well, maybe as an evil Cap America. 

Everything will be leading up I think to an entirely new Marvel Universe after Secret Wars. A reset with new actors for all the top gun characters. But it is all kind of down the road though. I'm not super excited for Superhero shit anymore. Much like I hardly ever pick up a comic these days. Great, good, or bad, I won't be waiting with bated breath anymore. Like a lot of people, I go back to older stuff rather than buy new product and consume more new product. Old shows, old movies. 

Much like my mild wrestling fandom, I like the real life behind the scenes stuff more than the filmed product. Personality clashes, and big stars acting like divas. I guess you could say I do have a mild interest, but I really don't think I will every actually be eager to see whatever the finished product is. What they are doing with it, and its potential failures and losses, are kind of more interesting to me to eventually see. YMMV.

Cheers




Saturday, May 21, 2022

Multiverses of Madness and the Comics

 


Growing up a comics kid, with a focus on Marvel, I of course loved even the C level heroes. And Dr. Strange was certainly that. But he had a certain popularity with college students, due in large part to the great Steve Ditko's psychedelic take on Salvador Dali. Doctor Strange travelled realms of crazy abstract backgrounds. 


And Strange regular cameoing in other titles got his exposure. Just like in the most recent Spider Man movie, Spidey and other heroes would sometimes seek out the wizard for advice with supernatural situations. Doc also led his own minor league hero team, The Defenders, that went on to have a long history, often without Strange appearing. But now, in the MCU, Doc Strange takes front and center. He actually seems to be the heir apparent to Tony Snark (even cracking wise at an accelerated rate). 

So as a kid the offbeat elements stood out. The crazy interdimensional backgrounds, Ditko's signature finger-bending hand gestures and body postures (made famous in early Spider Man). And Stan Lee gave Ditko credit for the character, a rare moment of generosity about character creation. 



So, the weirdo backgrounds and even the classic hand gestures made their way into the Marvel films, and the dimensional architecture as well, In spades. 

In the hands of Sam Raimi (among my top 5 favorite directors), the world of Strange just seems right. His style fits right in with the classic Ditko style. The backgrounds, the demons, the crash edits and Dutch angles. Sam brings all his best tropes into the MCU. Evil Dead and Drag Me to Hell all seem like influences here. 

Scarlet Witch is the big bad, a plotline left over from her Disney series. All she wants is her kids, but since she can't have hers, she will settle for taking over the body of a counterpart of hers from another dimension. Or something. 



I remember her pretend kids from comics in the 80's. Some of that had Al Milgrom as artist, who I absolutely hate, so I didn't read much. I don't know if Wanda using actual magic was a thing back then, or a modern invention. In my day she was a mutant who could alter probability in a random fashion that she could not fully control. She might turn a hail of bullets into butterflies with a hex, or create a shield of ice from fire hydrant water to block them. She never really knew. 

Now she is a powerful wizard in her own right, and more powerful (because of the Darkhold?) than even Doc Strange. Anyway, I don't really need to get into plot specifics. It didn't matter much to me. It was the insider elements that tickled me. 

The Darkhold stuff took me back. That book, Marvels Necronomicon, was in many titles I read as a kid. I remember it factoring into the early Werewolf by Night issues. And apparently the book was responsible for the existence of vampires. So nice to see it getting love these days. 



But its the multiverse that tickles me. As a kid it was Marvel, and to a lesser degree DC comics ("not a dream! Not an imaginary tale!"), whose mid century "Imaginary tales" eventually evolved into alternate dimensiona explanations. Earth 616 and 219 and 411 or whatnot. 


By the 70's both Marvel and DC dug deep into alternate universe stuff. I mean, I guess What If...? was the penultimate love for the concept. And its great to see it happening in the movies. in the case of DC films, it's an evolution of the company trying to salvage the poor reception of early film fare such as Batman vs. Superman and such. I mean, its giving us a chance soon to see the Michael Keaton Batman alongside the more recent Batfleck, and that tickles me to no end. 20 Years ago me being told by a visitor from the future that this would happen would have made my head explode. Even the last Spider Man film did it. Molina Doc Ock and Defoe Green Goblin? Yes please. Though I have to admit, that movie did not hold me for long. I have yet to watch enough of it to see all the Spider Man film actors together. But that has more to do with not really being a fan of the recent Spidey films. But shit, I'm glad its all happening. 

I love alternate universe stuff, and I look forward to seeing what they do with it. But especially in the case of DC. I'm unashamedly a fan of the films, even the derided ones. Batman V Supers and Suicide Squad 1 weren't quite the films I would have hoped (worst Lex Luthor ever), but I still find plenty to like in them. And I absolutley adore the Snyder Cut Justice League. I like the dark Snyder touches over the Marvel films heavy reliance on Tony Stark Snark, and essentially every character being a comedy gagster (that really should have been Spider Man and Deadpools schtick only).



So I should add you get to an alternate version of Reed Richards. I'm chomping at the bit to see what they do with an FF movie. And this is a little glimpse (I half expected Ben Grimm to come smashing in). And Fox's Doctor X played by Patrick Stewart was fanboy giggle worthy. The Illuminati. Wow. They even stuck in Black Bolt from the poorly received Inhumans show (I have yet to see it), and he was awesome. The only thing missing was Prince Namor. That would have been sweet. 

Anyway, Multiverse Madness. Can't wait to see more madness. Uh, in the Multiverse.

Oh, one final spoiler. Doc Stranges gal pal from the 70's, Clea, shows up in a credits sequence. That was a deep cut, and I almost spit out beer. And they don't explain anything, so nobody except way out in the weeds old school fanboys like me even get the significance. Awesome.