Friday, January 7, 2011

WOTC I do not wish you well

In a recent post over at Cyclopeatron. Cyclo talks about a new trading card element for D&D from WOTC, and of course it is just a lame move by this company to try and recapture a collectable card fad that had its heyday over a decade ago; plugging it into a game with a name that has serious geek zeitgeist. This was the first I heard of it, and I still do not know all the details, but jeez, what utter shit this once mysterious and wonderful game has been made into by these modern marketeers. No wonder so many of us hold on to the retro.

But what strikes me even odder is the commentary you hear from blog followers who do not play current WOTC products, but “wish them well.” What kind of “happy happy joy joy” mentality does somebody have to have to wish this corporate crapola well? Who that does not play with current WOTC merchandise would give a flying rats ass about WOTC and it’s chickenshit schemes for its product. These well-wishers are more Pollyanna than the chipper gay policemen from Demolition Man.

OK, you say “it’s good to get new people into the hobby.” Why? Because you can’t get/keep a group together? Do you hope D&D will take off gigantically like the mid-80’s again when groups were too full and closed to new players, starting a soup line of hungry players wanting to play at your table? Or is it so it becomes more mainstream and therefore you no longer have to have some weird guilt/shame thing in your gut when you are around people who are talking about wine and cars and The LA Lakers and who think this kind of activity is for the proverbial geektards?

I mean, when I started D&D the late 70’s, you talked about it in school in whispers. Just like comic books and being into Sci Fi movies instead of cars, it was like we were part of this little secret society. “We” watched Star Trek and Dark Shadows reruns, “They” watched C.H.I.P.S and Movin’ on (you may not remember it, but it was an action drama featuring truckers that all the dipshits in “special” classes watched in the early 80’s). Even in elementary school I remember the class voting on it's favorite TV show, with "That's My Momma"( a piece of junk Sanford and Son rip-off) getting the winning nod, and me being jeered for voting for Kolchak: The Night Stalker.

By high school, I would sneak away after football practice to run Tegal Manor for the Fantasy Role Playing Association meeting in some unlocked classroom. If word got out to my teammates what I was doing, I’d have probably gotten goofed on relentlessly in the locker room, and the cheerleader dates would have dried up. I loved that this was a small, underground, niche hobby. That was half the fun for me.

Patton Oswalt, D&D playing geek comedian, puts how I feel well here in one of his rants about underground geek culture:

“…Admittedly, there’s a chilly thrill in moving with the herd while quietly being tuned in to something dark, complicated, and unknown just beneath the topsoil of popularity. Something about which, while we moved with the herd, we could share a wink and a nod with two or three other similarly connected herdlings.

When our coworkers nodded along to Springsteen and Madonna songs at the local Bennigan’s, my select friends and I would quietly trade out-of-context lines from Monty Python sketches—a thieves’ cant, a code language used for identification. We needed it, too, because the essence of our culture—our “escape hatch” culture—would begin to change in 1987…”

I don’t think anybody needs to hate WOTC, and if they actually play their products then more power to them. But if you don’t, you at least wish them well? Do you actually know the people who work there? The top brass all the way down to the lowest goof-off file clerk who after hours pisses in the office coffee pot? Fuck them. I don’t wish them anymore well than I do any other souless corporation in this country. That they are in the game-making business holds no mystique for me, and does not for sure automatically garner my well-wishes. James Raggi I wish well. Geoffry McKinney I wish well. Goodman I wish goddamn well! WOTC I wish them all a jolly springtime standing in the goddamn unemployment line.

Wizards of the Coast, please fail horribly and die a miserable bankruptcy court death. I still have my copies of OD&D and 1st edition, and it is all I will ever need for my D&D.

25 comments:

  1. I wish them well because regardless what people think of the company, the the people that work there are still people with jobs and families and bills. So no I do not wish them ill nor do I wish them bankruptcy (which has no chance of ever happening anyway, Hasbro can loose more money in a month than all the other RPG companies make in a year combined).

    I might buy the cards, I might not. But whatever my feelings about it I not only wish WotC well I hope they make a freak-ton of money.

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  2. Freaking awesome post, man. Loved it.

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  3. ...there's still a D&D? I thought S&W and C&C and LL replaced it.

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  4. Tim: real people working at Goldman Sachs doesn't keep me from wishing the ground would open up and swallow the entire organization either.
    RW: Thanks man, one of those posts that just popped out of me like a popcorn kernal. The less I think about them the better they are...
    Dr R: Heh, good point.

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  5. Hey OSR, how's your bowel "movement" going? Have you guys brought anything new to the table yet instead of circle jerking over who can copy and paste Gygax and Arneson's work the best?

    You guys should take some pointers from Chgowiz's latest blog post before you waste our time defecating on the fun of others. This is like pissing and moaning over the D&D cartoon for not following canon.

    Love, Lazaro.

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  6. This is kind of a crappy post, with unnecessary negativity, but whatever.

    The point is that TSR and Gygax tried to milk as much money from D&D when they had it as well, and we all know that, so this is nothing new.

    I wouldn't use them if I were still dming 4e, but I'm not going to knock them for trying to squeeze money from a product they own.

    And a healthy D&D is a healthy rpg market in general, whether people want to admit it or not. And if these silly cards make for a healthier D&D, well then good for the hobby.

    You shouldn't let WOTC and what they do get to you so much that you are compelled to write about it.

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  7. That collectable card game fad that had its heyday over a decade ago just recently had its best selling year ever.

    Also it's good to get new people into the hobby because "a rising tide lifts all boats" - not because I can't get a gaming group together. I want more people playing D&D because I want more people playing RPGs. I want some super-creative kid in High School who has no experience with RPGs to randomly pick it up and get involved in the industry.

    WotC isn't perfect, but they do their market research. Magic the Gathering is hot right now. They definitely wouldn't have put cards in Gamma World and D&D as a crap-shoot.

    Goldman Sachs are incentivized to take advantage of legal loopholes and make as much money as possible. The people who work at WotC are making a game for people to enjoy. All of this nerd-rage is pretty stupid. Hating on WotC because they made cards that you're not going to buy...? Get over it, man.

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  8. Rev: I think the situation has a little more gravitas than you describe.
    Newb: Well, calling my post crappy is kind of negative. Sure Gygax wanted to make money, but there seems a lot more nobility in art when the original artist is involved, money or not. To me this isn't a popular video game franchise we are talking about.
    R: OK, sorry, in reality I have not kept abreast of anything going on with Magic TG these days. When I tried it over a couple of years in the 90's, but eventually realized it was really more of a kiddie game with a sprinkling of creepy older guys into it. Collectable anything is always going to be popular with the kids, now and then.
    How you describe wanting more people involved sounds more like somebody wanting more people being into a band who only have mild success, which really doesn't do anything for the fans. It'll only drive up ticket and album prices and making the band more rich. I don't care if some whiz kid likes the same music as me. How presumptous would that be?

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  9. "This was the first I heard of it, and I still do not know all the details..."

    Abberant Hive Mind wrote a post discussing exactly what they do in detail, on his blog.

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  10. R: Sorry, man, but when things go mainstream, a lot of the energy and love that went into those things dries up. In high school, I was into early '90s alternative, but when I started to dig into the different Seattle bands that had birthed the alternative/grunge movement before David Geffen put Nirvana on MTV, I discovered that they had something that the later, spritzed up mainstream guys didn't have.

    Seriously, I hate 4th edition and everything that is related to it. And no, I don't want floods of new people joining. If RPGs went mainstream, I'd find myself alienated from it pretty rapidly. Having new people join at replacement-level growth or maybe a modest 1% to 5% growth would be nice, but to have RPGs go totally mainstream would dilute the hobby for me.

    Unfortunately, that's what WOTC did by making D&D into a p-n-p WoW clone. Sorry, but that's what it is. Now some people like that, and good on them. But so far as I'm concerned, 4th edition D&D isn't D&D. Guys like you and Rev. Lazaro can say what you want. I look for innovation in RPGs outside of WOTC. I wish the guys over at The Forge well.

    I, like Brunomac, do not wish WOTC well. And it's not sour grapes or me having a bad attitude. I don't play 4E. I won't play 4E. I read the books, watched an example of play, have no interest, and I do believe that it is dumbed down. If you enjoy it, good on you. If you enjoy it and are offended, I'm sorry, but I think that says more about you and Rev. Lazaro than it does about me.

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  11. Heh, I don't have any use for WOTC either. The thing they put out under the D&D name has few points of contact with my D&D.
    The design philosophy and assumed expectations of what the game is meant to do are close to completely disconnected from the original at this point.

    I don't begrudge the new players their fun, but it irks me that their first exposure to D&D, and first exposures set expectations, is to a game which is a pale shadow of AD&D.

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  12. I was one who wished them well and I was being flipant. But you know what, I DO know folks that work there and they are friends of mine so I do wish them well. I don't think I need to hate on anyone else's fun. That just doesn't make sense.

    Personally, I don't care what WotC does. Hasbro owns them and if they want to turn it into a collectible card game, let them. I've still got the older editions I like to play and with the OSR, there is plenty of compatable material coming out. So I guess that means I still have my seret little geek cant that the masses will overlook for their corporate fix. I wouldn't have it any other way.

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  13. Hasbro = Lorraine Williams. There I said it. I wouldn't be surprised if the the people that work at WotC in the rpg department hate Lorraine, I mean Hasbro also.

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  14. It's great you bought all your books 25+ years ago and that's all you play. It's a crappy business model. Should TV only show reruns of the shows you mentioned too? Or are they allowed to make new content? Are you going to spring $20 or more bucks to go see 30 year old movies on the big screen. To quote Whoopi Goldberg commenting to a couple of fans who told her they had just seen Ghost, "Look at you, livin' in the 80s and sh!t."

    I'm so glad you had a good experience in the 80s, me too. But it's a LONG time later, and a company can't make a living selling the same game over and over again. I don't want to play the same game I played then either. You might be satisfied with Different Strokes and Top Gun, but I only need a little nostalgia, I don't want to wallow in it.

    I love 4e, its the most fun I've had playing D&D EVER. I applaud the company the having the foresight and courage to bring the game not only up to date, but making it an innovator again. Finally, D&D is back to the place where other games will imitate it and not the other way around. I understand that you can't comprehend that, and certainly are not willing to accept it. So leave it alone then. You language is unhealthy for everyone involved. Without D&D, the market leader, the whole ship sinks. Even if you don't like it, you still need it.

    Incidentally, I'm not only buying the cards, I've created my own variation of that idea and have been using them for years.

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  15. Dave, D&D having a freaking SATURDAY MORNING CARTOON in the 80's wasn't mainstream enough???

    D&D isn't some hidden geek pleasure anymore, it's a pretty recognizable thing. People who don't play it or never did still pretty much know sort of what it is.

    I'm not sure I get that attitude of "if people start liking it, then I'll stop" what's that about??

    The people geting their hands dirty over at WOTC are gamers just like all of us, and guess what? Some of those guys play and love the same games your clinging on to. But they have a job to do, just like we all do in our respective lives. Wishing them ill for workign on a game you don't enjoy playing is really, well, stupid.

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  16. As longshoreman-philosopher Eric Hoffer observed,
    “every great movement begins as a cause (chainmail/ men and magic?),
    eventually becomes a business (TSR/ WoTC?),
    then degenerates into a racket (Hasbro).”

    Give Ryan Darcy credit where credit is due;
    he & WOTC gave us the OGL which gave birth to the OSR.
    Mr. Darcy had great insight; many people confuse WOTC for Hasbro. Ryan left Hasbro in disgust.

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  17. People hate WotC for making 4e so different from the game they loved for the same reason they hate George Lucas from changing star wars (and note: Han did not shoot first, he shot only, Greedo just died). And like Star Wars, the owners of the property can do anything they wish..including swap out all the swords with radios.

    People change books (Huck Finn) and Movies (Star Wars, ET) and Music and re-release them (often removing access to the old) all of the time. And you don't have to like it, but its their stuff and they can do what they want with it.

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  18. As vomit inducing as it is to add trading cards to the game, I think you couldn't ask for a better gift as this is going to push more people into playing older editions. So let
    them eat their cake, cause eventually there gonna get sick of it.

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  19. Apathy. I feel apathy about this. Granted, some of the apathy may come from it being January. But I find it hard to care very much about the hobby. I am not titillated or offended, but am just dulled by it. I do what I want and ignore most everything and avoid caring about it for the most part.

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  20. What Crowking said. WoTCs current use of the D&D brand is the best advertising that other RPGs could ever have.

    I really can't, with good conscience wish that the employees of WoTC find themselves in the unemployment line (with the exception of the core developers, who's genius idea it was to completely distance the game from it's roots, instead of taking a gift-wrapped opportunity to clean the classic up). But, I can still cross my fingers that the current D&D property will lose momentum quickly, so that there will be a chance for a smart developer to listen to all the vitriol and make the move to create a successor to D&D, instead of trying to reinvent the wheel like the last two batches did.

    Here's to D&D 5e, hopefully the real successor to the father of RPGs... instead of yet another "cool idea" rubber stamped with a logo for the sake of brand recognition.

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  21. Zzarchov: People hate the new Star Wars movies because of poor cinematography, sloppy scriptwriting, and lazy directing. http://www.redlettermedia.com/sith.html

    newbiedm: Mainstreaming things leads to their dilution and appeal to the lowest common denominator. When things go mainstream, they often lose their complexity and become simpler, more facile. Not always, but often. And, truth-be-told, I feel that 4E is pretty much as mainstream as it can get. I don't like it, but not for its mainstreamness. I don't like it because of things like dissociated mechanics, or the lack of permanent (or at least long-lasting) consequences for actions, or reducing monsters to simply existing for the purpose of combat. These are results of the mainstreaming of D&D, in my opinion. I could be wrong, but I don't feel that I am.

    J.D.M.: This is an example of someone who just cannot stomach the fact that people find fault with their chosen hobby and choose not to pursue it. I don't dislike J.D.M. for liking 4E, but he, apparently, dislikes people for not supporting it. As I said earlier, "This says more about you than it does about me" or perhaps, the rest of us. I'm not an OSR player, and my favorite incarnation is actually 3.5 (played light, with minimum sourcebook-reliance). However, I respect the OSR because it is doing a lot to return the game to its roots, streamline it, and develop it along paths from which designers had departed long ago.

    J.D.M.'s analogy of TV shows is inaccurate and puerile. And, indeed, certain TV shows of the past are actually much better than shows that are aired now. M*A*S*H, for example, was an incredible show that I still enjoy watching even today. He's taken personally a critique of a company.

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  22. Thanks for all the great responses "pro and con" guys. Obviously a great can o' worms issue. Not to back peddle, but I do exaggerate a bit in my occasional rants (notice they are getting fewer and more far in between). The fate of WOTC is literally none of my business, so "either or" I care not what their future holds. I don't want people, even ones I do not know, to lose jobs nor will they because I do not have that kind of magical wish power anyway. But the fact that people work there does not enter into me wanting a company to fail or not. I'll be running D&D whatever happens to those yobbos.

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  23. Great blog post! Amen! I seriously look down on the spineless weenies who "wish WOTC well" and who spew similar disingenuous garbage in order to make themselves look "mature" or "tolerant" or whatever image they hope to convey. To me, it's meaningless whether WOTC closes down, and I wish they would simply because they churn out nothing but overpriced crap. I haven't bought a WOTC product in a good 15 years or so. I don't care if the "hobby" (it's more like an addiction for modern players) dies. Who cares? Doesn't affect my 1E/2E play at all. Never has, never will. Bringing in more players, propagating the hobby, passing the game to the next generation, and all that pretentious nonsense is idiotic. Who cares whether an extra 10,000 more retard players start playing 4E or whatever version they're releasing next? Stupid players playing a stupid game do nothing positive for the hobby, unless you're a stupid player of a stupid game to begin with. Misery loves company.

    The problem is that people have been bred and conditioned to act like good little sheeple and be politically correct and act like well behaved little automaton consumers. Screw them! Let WOTC shut its doors for good. And they can take Marvel and DC Comics with them!

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