So last weekend I played in regular player Ben’s game. I won’t lie to you, I was severely hung over. My older bro and I stayed up till almost 5am drinking whiskey and Jager. Ugh. Getting too old for this.
But with a little Sam Adams for “hair of the dog” I was able to participate. We all car pooled from Santa Monica to Dan’s Mulholland abode, a really nice house with a view of various multi-million dollar properties. I got renewed respect for Dan after seeing where he lived and after meeting his girlfriend. The big South African dude (white) is really chasing the American Dream.
So here are my player observations and feelings after sitting down as a D&D player for the first time in almost 20 years. Firstly, it was almost 3 hours into the game before we had any combat or physical stuff of any kind. We were elves and half-elves from Elfland, and a human knight and some troops came to ask for help for their land. It seems some kind of enchantress was charming away soldiers to her dungeons, and they wanted us for our natural charm resistance. So there was meeting humans, parties with humans, then travelling to human land with humans. In a nutshell, with a spattering of role-play, that was almost a full three hours. I went into the game really wanting the release of action, but it took a long time to get to any. I understand Ben wants to set-up his world and so forth, but really I gave up running the previous Wednesday evening game of Mutant Future so we could spend that three hours on character creation and not have to do it Saturday. We should have been treated to some kind of action sooner (travelling with a large company of humans, so there were no wandering monster attacks).
We had maybe an hour and a half left to play, and so Ben hit us with some encounters on the way to the dungeon. There was a Warg attack, a Stirge attack at our camp, and then outside the dungeon we fought a group of ogres. Between Andy’s Cavalier and retainer, and Paul’s fighter and two retainers, the monsters were mopped up pretty easily. So here was my next gripe. Between Andy and Paul there are three retainer-types, so effectively they get to do attacks and rolls for a total of 5 individuals. And for some reason, me and Dan’s cleric/thief went last despite being pretty good in the Dex department (Ben is going by the book, which I guess means go around the table for turns. How this is superior to going by Dex order I will never know).
Me and Dan were both pretty annoyed that not only did it take forever to get a turn, but that two characters and their retainers were mopping up the place with their turns. My fighter/MU did get to shine a bit when he got great rolls and bowshot stirges off a couple of characters backs, but that was about it.
I understand that in D&D there are retainers and henchmen and all that, and it is a part of by the book gaming. And in my current game I let Terry run two characters for a few games (so there would be a cleric) and have an NPC in the party, but still my turns seem to just fly by, and Dex order seems to work out pretty good in my game. I don’t normally work a lot of henchmen and hireling stuff into my games. I like players to mostly focus on their characters, and things seem more heroic to me when it is pretty much just the player characters taking the chances.
All in all, I’d say Ben does a bit better than average DM’ing a game. But just as I recall from the late 80’s and early 90’s when I switched to GM’ing only, I am mostly unsatisfied with the player experience. I just kept wishing that Wednesday night last week and then on Saturday night, that I was running one of my games. It’s just what I prefer. Oh well, I did go into this wanting the player experience to help me be a better DM, and so I can do more of that we’ll let Ben run his game again.
I also went into this because I wanted to experience by the book AD&D again just to have a second look at my own house rules and such. I have to admit, nothing made me want to give up my rules and go by the book. Quite the contrary, with Andy’s cavalier and other fighters with double specializations doing over 20 points of damage at a pop, some characters just seemed too powerful for low level games.
I think that for my future games I’m going to leave the Unearthed Arcana out of it except for the extra spells.
Still Out There, a Short Update
8 years ago
Very cool man ... I can relate to the wanting to DM vs. be a player. I'm going on about six months of it myself ... in a new area trying to form a new gaming group, etc. so I thought it would be best to focus on hosting gaming and finding a new gaming group ... and leave the DMing to new friends who really wanted to try it. Its been a very good learning/reminding experience for me. I think I've probably learned more about DMing in the past six months than I had in the previous six years ... just by being a player again and experiencing the frustrations from the other side of the screen.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure how "by the book" it is, but henchmen & retainers always went last in my book. PCs are the primary focus; they get the first shot of glory...unless the PC they belong to wants to use them first as cannon fodder.
ReplyDeleteI thought you all had to be playing elves? How did a human knight PC get in the mix? Seems like all the humans should have been NPC's, and expendable ones at that.
A big rule of DMing is "players first & story second". Without them, you can't have a story. Get their interest by having them enjoy the gameplay and the story will soar almost on its own!
Ciao!
GW
I hear you. As a player it can be tough because things move sooooo slowly. Three hours before combat in an old school AD&D game is tough, though.
ReplyDeleteThat house sounds awesome.
:)
I agree that UA contained some power bloat. An unarmed Thief-Acrobat can be pretty terrifying. And Barbarians are just insane, both with their abilities and with the required XP to level up! Cavaliers all eventually getting 18/00 STR and 18 DEX/CON, Rangers with hugely expanded lists of Humanoid enemies, etc.
ReplyDeleteBut at least it's not as bad as Oriental Adventures!
Lore Excess: The main thing I learned as a DM was to make sure there is some action by the first hour of the game. Not necessarily combat, but there should at least be some situtations to do some rolls to get the juices flowing.
ReplyDeleteGrendel: Yeah, it was by the second combat or so when one of the other players suggesting having the retainers go last. The human knight was not part of the PC party, just one of the guys from humanland who came to ask for help.
1D30: it has been awhile since I looked at OA, but I think I remember the more basic character types being tougher than regular D&D counterparts. Still, not close to the might of a samurai.
Is Andy a red-headed guy? If so I probably have gamed with him. On that same note, if you played 3.0 I think I gamed with you, like 9 years ago. Just curious, since I think our circles overlap.
ReplyDeleteWheg: Yeah, Andy has apparantly played around the town a bit (with varying degress of success) before settling down with my game. Christian who commented above had him in a few games at some point in the not too distant past.
ReplyDeleteNaw, never played 3.0. Around 10 or 12 years ago was around the last time I actually played in somebody elses game, and that was in some pretty horrible GURPS games on the West Side. Really terrible gaming, but the host of the tiny group seemed to think they were awesome (GM didn't even reference a notebook or anything - a guy lacking in basic charisma making it up as he went along).